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Santa Fe
« am: 11.04.2005, 22:05 Uhr »
Hallo, ich Plane im Juni einen Trip  Dallas - Oklahoma - Santa Fe -Carlsbad - Dallas. Möchte in Santa Fe ca. 6 Tage bleiben um von dort aus die Umgebung zu besuchen, Pueblos usw. Ist das zu lang? Kennt jemand das Motel Silver Saddle in Santa Fe?

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #1 am: 12.04.2005, 01:52 Uhr »
Sind 6 Tage genug? Ich wohne seit 5 Jahren hier und habe erst die Oberflaeche gesehen! Unten sind Sehenswuerdigkeiten im Norden New Mexicos (leider auf Englisch).
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Things to see and do in northern New Mexico (with a few longer descriptions):

Albuquerque

http://www.abqcvb.org/visitors/

History:
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Albuquerque is a city with a long history. There is evidence that as long as 25,000 years ago, people inhabited this area. Some scientists have estimated the date to be 10,000 years ago. In any case, the area has an old heritage. The Anasazi Indians lived here from 1100 to 1300 A.D. In 1540, the Spanish explorer, Francisco Vasques do Coronado arrived from Mexico. After Coronado left, more Spanish settlers moved here. By the 1600's, the area was called: "Bosque Grande de San Francisco Xavier" (A bosque is a forest on the banks of a river or body of water or possibly an area of thick vegetation). In 1706, Don Francisco Cuervo y Valdez asked the Spanish government for permission to establish a villa here. There must be 30 families to do so. There were only 18 at this time, but Cuervo, who was at the time the provisional governor of the territory, knew the plan would help his future. Cuervo planned to name the villa, Alburquerque, after the viceroy Francisco Fernandez de la Cueva, the Duke of Alburquerque. His application was accepted and the city of Alburquerque was formed. The first "r" was dropped from the name supposedly when a sign painter omitted it because he couldn't spell it or just didn't have enough room. There is another theory about the latin spelling of Albuquerque, which means white oak.



Albuquerque: Old Town
http://www.oldtownalbuquerque.com/

Albuquerque area: Tramway
http://www.sandiapeak.com/

Albuquerque: Balloon Festival (early Oct)
http://www.aibf.org/

Albuquerque area: Petroglyph National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/petr/

Albuquerque: Indian Pueblo Cultural Center
http://www.indianpueblo.org/intro/index.cfm

Santa Fe & area
http://santafe.org/Visitors_Guide/index.html
http://www.santafechamber.com/about_santafe/tourism_in_santa_fe.htm

History:
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Indians have lived here for over 1,000 years! Santa Fe is the second oldest city in the United States. Don Pedro de Paralta was appointed Governor and Capitan General of New Mexico by the Viceroy of New Spain on 30 March 1609. He was to go to New Mexico with other soldiers and priests and to found the Villa of Santa Fe.

New Mexico was brought into the United States in 1846. At that time, the Catholic Church sent Archbishop John Lamy to reorganize the religious practices of the territory. Religion continues to play a large part in the Santa Fe area. The original name for the city was "La Villa de la Santa Fe San Francisco de Assisi," or in english, "The Royal City of the Holy Faith of Saint Francis of Assisi."

Santa Fe has been the capital under four different flags since 1610: Spain, Mexico, the U.S. Confederacy and the United States. The influence of many different cultures can especially be seen in the architecture. The adobe is from the Moors. The eastern styles and materials from the Anglos. There are many old, historic buildings in Santa Fe, such as the Miraculous Winding Staircase at the Loretto Chapel or the San Miguel Mission - the oldest church in the United States. Santa Fe has also become a cultural center for the region. The Santa Fe Fiesta has been celebrated
since 1769. It remains a center for craftsmen and artisans to this day.


Santa Fe: La Fonda (historic Harvey hotel)
http://www.lafondasantafe.com/

Santa Fe area: Pecos National Historical Park
http://www.nps.gov/peco/

Battle of Glorieta Pass, Civil War
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/civilwar/14/glorieta.html

Los Alamos: Atomic Lab Science Museum
http://www.lanl.gov/museum/

Los Alamos: Bandelier National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/band/

Los Alamos area: Valle Grande (caldera)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_Grande

Jemes Springs: hot springs, pueblo
http://www.jemezsprings.org/guide.html

Jemez Springs: Grotto, Soda Falls, camping
http://www.americansouthwest.net/new_mexico/jemez_mountains/

Chimayo
http://www.chimayo.org/

Chimayo: Sanctuario de Chimayo
http://www.archdiocesesantafe.org/AboutASF/Chimayo.html

Abiquiu: arts and photography
http://www.abiquiustudiotour.org/

Abiquiu: Ghost Ranch
http://www.ghostranch.org/

Abiquiu area: Echo Amphitheater
http://www.digitalabiquiu.com/pages/tours/echo_t.html

Ojo Caliente
http://www.digitalabiquiu.com/pages/tours/ojocaliente_t.html

Ojo Caliente: Spa
http://www.ojocalientespa.com/

Chama: Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad
http://www.chamatrain.com/

Las Vegas: 900 historical buildings!
http://www.worldplaces.com/cchp/aboutcchp.htm

Las Vegas: Montezuma Castle
http://www.uwc-usa.org/about/montezumacastle.htm

Fort Union & Santa Fe Trail
http://www.nmhu.edu/research/sftrail/ftunion.htm
http://www.nps.gov/foun/

Taos
History:
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There is evidence that man has lived in the Taos area as far back as 3,000 B.C. Prehistoric ruins dating from 900 A.D. can be seen throughout the Taos Valley. The Pueblo of Taos remains the link from these early inhabitants of the valley to the still-living native culture.

The first Europeans to appear in Taos valley were led by Captain Alvarado,  who was exploring the area for the Coronado expedition of 1540. Don Juan de Onate, official colonizer of the province of Nuevo Mexico, came to Taos in July 1598. In September of that year he assigned Fray Francisco de Zamora to serve the Taos and Picuris Pueblos.

Long established trading networks at Taos Pueblo, plus its mission and the abundant water and timber of the valley, attracted early Spanish settlers.

Life was not easy for the newcomers, and there were several conflicts with Taos Pueblo before the Pueblo revolt of 1680 in which all Spaniards and their priests were either killed or driven from the province. In 1692 Don Diego de Vargas made a successful military reconquest of New Mexico and in 1693 he returned to recolonize the province. In 1694 he raided Taos Pueblo when it refused to provide corn for his starving settlers in Santa Fe.

Taos Pueblo revolted again in 1696, and De Vargas came for the third time to put down the rebellion. Thereafter, Taos and most of the other Rio Grande Pueblos remained allies of Spain and later of Mexico when it won its independence in 1821. During this long period the famous Taos Trade Fairs grew in importance so that even the annual caravan to Chihuahua delayed its departure until after the Taos Fair, which was held in July or August. The first French traders, led by the Mallette brothers, attended the Taos Fair in 1739.

By 1760, the population of Taos valley had decreased because of the fierce attacks by Plains Indians. Many times the Spanish settlers had to move into houses at Taos Pueblo for protection from these raiders. In 1779, Colonel de Anza returned through Taos from Colorado, where he had decisively defeated the Comanches led by Cuerno Verde. De Anza named the Sangre de Cristo Pass, northeast of present Fort Garland, and also named the road south from Taos to Santa Fe through Miranda Canyon as part of "El Camino Real". In 1796 - 97, the Don Fernando de Taos grant was given to 63 Spanish families.

By the early 1800's, Taos had become the headquarters for many of the famous mountain men who trapped beaver in the neighboring mountains. Among them was Kit Carson, who made his home in Taos from 1826 to 1868. In July 1826 Padre Antonio Jose Martinez began serving the Taos parish. He opened his school in Taos in 1833 and published textbooks for it in 1834. He printed "El Crepusculo", a weekly newspaper in 1835, and was prominent in territorial matters during the Mexican and early United States periods in New Mexico.

After Mexico gained independence from Spain in 1821, the Santa Fe Trail became the important route for trade between the United States and Mexico. A branch of the trail came to Taos to supply its trading needs.From 1821 to 1846, the Mexican government made numerous land grants to help settle new sections of New Mexico. During the war with Mexico in 1846, General Stephen Kearney and his U.S. troops occupied the province of New Mexico. Taos rebelled against the new wave of invaders and in 1847 killed the newly appointed Governor Charles Bent, in his Taos home. In 1850 the province, which then included Arizona, officially became the territory of New Mexico of the United States.

During the civil war, the confederate army flew its flag for six weeks over Santa Fe. It was just prior to this time that Kit Carson, Smith Simpson, Ceran St. Vrain and others put up the American flag over Taos Plaza and guarded it. Since then, Taos has had the honor of flying the flag day and night.The discovery of gold in the Moreno valley in 1866 and later in the mountains near Taos brought many new people to the area. Twining and Red River, once mining towns, are now prominent ski resorts. The Carson National Forest contains forested lands in the Sangre de Cristo and Jemez Mountain Ranges. It was created from the Pecos River Forest Reserve of 1892, the Taos Forest Reserve of 1906, and part of the Jemez National Forest of 1905.

A narrow gauge railroad, the Denver and Rio Grande Western, was built from Alamosa, Colorado, to within 25 miles southwest of Taos in 1880. In later years it was nicknamed the Chili Line. It eventually connected with Santa Fe. A surrey and four horses joggled passengers from the station to Taos. During World War II, the train was discontinued; Embudo Station on the Rio Grande is all that is left of it today.

The next invasion began in 1898, when two eastern artists came to Taos and depicted on canvas the dramatic mountains and unique peoples. By 1912, the Taos Society of Artists was formed by these and other artists who had been attracted to the area. New Mexico became a state in 1912 as well. World Wars I and II came and went, and members of the three cultures of Taos -- Indian, Spanish and Anglo -- fought and died
together for their country.


http://www.taoschamber.com/

Taos: Galleries & museums
http://taoswebb.com/art/

Taos area: Ranchos de Taos church
http://www.collectorsguide.com/ts/tsfa05.html

Taos area: Taos pueblo
http://www.taospueblo.com/

Taos area: Rio Grande Gorge Bridge
http://users.hawken.edu/dskad/rgbridge.html

Taos area: Wild Rivers Rec Area (BLM site)
http://www.nm.blm.gov/tafo/rafting/rio_grande/wrra/wild_rivers.html

Taos area: White Water rafting
http://www.taosoutdoorrecreation.com/rafting.htm

Enchanted Circle Scenic Byway: Angel Fire, Eagle Nest, Red River, Questa, Taos

Vietnam Veterans National Memorial, Angel Fire
http://grunt.space.swri.edu/angelfir.htm

Elizabethtown (Ghost Town)
http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/nm/elizabethtown.html

Acoma pueblo (Sky City)
http://www.nmmagazine.com/NMGUIDE/acoma.html

Gallup, Center for Native American history, art, culture, tradition, and GREAT shopping
http://www.gallupnm.org/

Inter-Tribal Indian Ceremonial at Gallup
http://www.gallupnm.org/ceremonial/

Shiprock. More just to see than to visit; you'll be able to see it from all over the northwest corner of the state. (In earlier times, prior to air pollution, you could see it from the top of Sandia Peak and from some places at Mesa Verde, that is, from much further away. Now that happens only on particularly clear days.)

Navajo Nation: Fair at Shiprock and much more
http://www.americanwest.com/pages/navajo2.htm
http://www.discovernavajo.com/events.html

Bisti Badlands Wilderness
http://www.desertusa.com/mag00/may/stories/bisti.html

National Monuments/Parks/Rec Areas, State Parks and Scenic Byways(North and South)

New Mexico's Scenic Byways:
http://nmshtd.state.nm.us/scenic_byways/default.asp

Albuquerque area: Petroglyph National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/petr/

Los Alamos: Bandelier National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/band/

Aztec Ruins National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/azru/

Bandelier National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/band/

Chaco Culture National Historical Park
http://www.nps.gov/chcu/

Petroglyph National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/petr/

Fort Union National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/foun/

Capulin Volcano National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/cavo/

Kasha-Katuwe Tent Rocks National Monument (BLM)
http://www.nm.blm.gov/recreation/albuquerque/kasha_katuwe.htm

National Natural Landmarks in New Mexico:
http://www1.nature.nps.gov/nnl/Registry/USA_Map/States/NewMexico/new_mexico.htm

Conchas Lake
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/conchas/conchas.htm

Ute Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/ute/ute.htm

Bluewater Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/bwater/bwater.htm

Hyde Memorial State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/hyde/hyde.htm

Rio Grande Nature Center
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/rgnc/rgnc.htm

Red Rock State Park (operated by the City of Gallup)
http://www.ci.gallup.nm.us/rrsp/00182_redrock.html

El Vado Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/elvado/elvado.htm

Fenton Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/fenton/fenton.htm

Navajo Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/navajo/navajo.htm

Heron Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/heron/heron.htm

Cimarron Canyon State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/cimarron/cimarron.htm

Clayton Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/clayton/clayton.htm

Coyote Creek State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/coyote/coyote.htm

Morphy Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/morphy/morphy.htm

Storrie Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/storrie/storrie.htm

Sugarite Canyon State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/Sugarite/sugarite.htm

Eagle Nest Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/pages/parks/eaglenest/eaglenest.htm

Camping and Other Info Links

Click here to visit the New Mexico Association of RV Parks and Campgrounds

Click here for printable listings of New Mexico's public and private parks and campgrounds to take with you on your trip!

Click here to order a free copy of the big visitor's guide

Click here for links to the local chambers of commerce

Click here for Tourism's other brochures

New Mexico Tourist Welcome Centers

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #2 am: 12.04.2005, 08:07 Uhr »
Falls du irgendwelche Fragen zu Oklahoma hast, kannst du gerne auf mich zurückkommen. Ich war dort schon des öfteren. Zur Not Frag ich meine Cousine, die seit fast 25 Jahren in Tulsa lebt.
"Ich trinke jeden Tag ein Glas Wein für meine Gesundheit. Den Rest der Flasche trinke ich, weil ich sehr gerne betrunken bin." Gerard Depardieu

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #3 am: 12.04.2005, 08:11 Uhr »
Hab mal vor ein paar Tagen ein Thema eröffnet, bzgl. Parks in Oklahoma:

http://www.usa-reise.net/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12184&highlight=

Vielleicht findest du ja was.

Ich find's toll, das auch mal jemand den Weg nach und nicht nur durch Oklahoma findet. Viele von hier wissen gar nicht, das es auch dort wunderschön ist.
"Ich trinke jeden Tag ein Glas Wein für meine Gesundheit. Den Rest der Flasche trinke ich, weil ich sehr gerne betrunken bin." Gerard Depardieu

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #4 am: 12.04.2005, 16:21 Uhr »
:D  Hallo Lynn , vielen Dank die Tips, wenn ich die alle durchgearbeitet habe brauche ich schon hier 6 Tage, aber mehr Zeit für Santa Fe habe ich nicht, da ich noch Bekannte in Chicago und in der Nähe von Dallas besuchen will.
 :) Hallo Frank, für Oklahoma City habe ich leider nur 2 Tage was kannst Du mir da empfehlen? Zu mehr wie einem ersten Eindruck reicht das ja diesmal leider nicht.

Schöne Grüße Georg

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #5 am: 12.04.2005, 16:40 Uhr »
Ich kann dir folgendes in OK-City ans Herz legen:

http://www.nationalcowboymuseum.org/ (Cowboy-Museum)

http://www.myriadgardens.com/index.html (Botanischer Garten)

http://www.remingtonpark.com/ (Pferderennen)

http://www.okczoo.com/ (Zoo)

http://www.stockyardscity.org/ (Stockyard's allerdings nicht zu vergleichen mit Fort Worth/Tx)

http://www.bricktownokc.com/ (Altstadt von OK-City)

Ich glaub, das wars mal fürs erste!
"Ich trinke jeden Tag ein Glas Wein für meine Gesundheit. Den Rest der Flasche trinke ich, weil ich sehr gerne betrunken bin." Gerard Depardieu

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #6 am: 14.04.2005, 14:00 Uhr »
6 Tage Santa Fe? Naja, ich habe mich nach 6 Stunden gelangweilt....

Mal ehrlich, es ist ein himmelweiter Unterschied, ob man dort wirklich wohnt und so nach und nach die Stadt in seinen Einzelheiten erkundet, oder ob mal als Touri ankommt und sich im Zweifel auf die Hauptattraktionen konzentriert.

Und da ist halt Santa Fe mit seiner ganz netten Innenstadt ..... naja und sonst? Fällt mir nicht viel mehr ein, wo ich wirklich sagen würde, das müsse man gesehen haben.

Klar kann man sich beschäftigen, wenn man unbedingt will, aber ich würde meine Zeit eher woanders verbringen.

Das ist so wie bei meiner Heimatstadt hier. Klar kann ich als Kenner der Stadt mich hier den ganzen Tag beschäftigen. Der normale Touri schaut sich aber nur die wesentlichen Sehenswürdigkeiten an und ist nach 3 Stunden fertig.

Es ist auch gar nicht so leicht, in den USA mal in einer Stadt zu wohnen und von dort aus die Attraktionen im Umland anzuschauen. Denn meist sind die Attraktionen wegen der großen Entfernungen so weit weg, dass man den halben Tag am fahren ist. Insofern würde ich nur im Ausnahmefall von einer Stadt aus das Umland erkunden.

Mir fällt auch bei Santa Fe im Umland nicht soviel an, was ich mir unbedingt anschauen müsste. Mit einer Ausnahme:

In der Nähe von Santa Fe in Richtung Albuquerque gibt es das Kasha Katuwe Tent Rocks NM. Das ist sehr schön und kann wirklich empfohlen werden. Aufenthaltsdauer dort: ca. 3 Stunden (einschließlich lohnenswerter Wanderung auf den Berg rauf).
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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #7 am: 14.04.2005, 14:18 Uhr »
Hallo,
Zitat von: GreyWolf
Mir fällt auch bei Santa Fe im Umland nicht soviel an, was ich mir unbedingt anschauen müsste

na ja, wenigstens vier Tage könnte ich schon füllen  (wobei einiges hier schon genannt ist):
Bandelier NM
Pecos NHP
Salinas Pueblo Missions NM , allerdings schon ein ziemliches Stück weg
Turquoise Trail
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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #8 am: 14.04.2005, 15:22 Uhr »
Da geb ich Grey Wolf recht, das 6 Tage Santa Fe zuviel ist. Zwei Tage reichen!
"Ich trinke jeden Tag ein Glas Wein für meine Gesundheit. Den Rest der Flasche trinke ich, weil ich sehr gerne betrunken bin." Gerard Depardieu

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #9 am: 14.04.2005, 20:59 Uhr »
Salinas Pueblo ist sicher machbar, wenn man auch da die paar Zentimeter auf der Karte nicht unterschätzen darf, was die Fahrzeit angeht. Andererseits würde ich nicht extra deswegen einen tag in Santa Fe verbringen, sondern das eher auf einer Route "mitnehmen".

Solltest Du den Missions fahren: pass auf, da gibt es tierisch viele Schlangen.
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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #10 am: 14.04.2005, 21:46 Uhr »
Hallo,
Zitat von: GreyWolf
Solltest Du den Missions fahren: pass auf, da gibt es tierisch viele Schlangen.

Dort gibt es eine der köstlichsten Warnungen, die ich je gesehen habe:

Schlange habe ich aber keine gesehen.
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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #11 am: 14.04.2005, 22:11 Uhr »
Zitat von: GreyWolf
6 Tage Santa Fe? Naja, ich habe mich nach 6 Stunden gelangweilt....


Ich wuerde 6 Tage in fast keiner Stadt bleiben, und ich bin in jeder im US-Westen gewesen -- sowie auch vielen im US-Osten und Europa. (Die einzigen Ausnahmen sind vielleicht NYC und Paris.) Was also Santa Fe so interessant macht ist nicht nur die Stadt, sondern auch ihre Umgebung im Norden New Mexicos.
:)
Lynn

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Re: Santa Fe
« Antwort #12 am: 17.04.2005, 15:27 Uhr »
Ich habe mich durch die vielen Links durchgearbeitet und plane nun den Aufenthalt etwas anders. Natürlich wollte ich nie 6 Tage in der Stadt Santa Fe verbringen sondern von dort aus die umliegenden Attraktionen besuchen. Aber jetzt werde ich wohl 3 Tage Santa Fe und 3 Tage Gallup planen.