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Wild Wild West 2006
« am: 23.01.2006, 11:43 Uhr »
Hallo an alle,
 
wir wollen dieses Jahr die Gegend um die "Four Corners", also Arizona,  Colorado und New Mexiko unsicher machen. Start ist am 19. Mai 2006 in Phoenix; Rückflug ebenfalls von Phoenix am 10. Juni 2006, wobei wir die letzten 3 Tage in einem schönen Resort in Phoenix/ Scottsdale relaxen wollen.
 
 
Welche Nationalparks sollten wir unbedingt einbeziehen (in Utah eher weniger; die haben wir letztes Jahr schon gesehen)?
 
Welche Route ist sinnvoll und in 3 Wochen machbar?
 
Wir fahren mit Mietwagen. Hat jemand Hotel-/ Motelempfehlungen?
 
Vielen Dank schon mal für Eure Tipps!
 
Annett
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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #1 am: 23.01.2006, 12:16 Uhr »
Auf jeden Fall mit reinnehmen würde ich den Grand Canyon, der liegt ja auch recht gut am Weg! Ansonsten würde ich noch vorschlagen Petrified Forrest, White Sands mit reinzunehmen (habe selbst schonmal eine ähnliche Route geplant, allerdings ohne Colorado!), Mesa Verde...
Mehr fällt mir so spontan gerade nicht ein!
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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #2 am: 23.01.2006, 12:18 Uhr »
Hallo,

also ich würde den Apache Trail fahren, dann Petrified Forest, Canyon de Chelly, Mesa Verde, evtl. Moab und wieder retour über Grand Canyon.

Das ist jetzt nur mal der grobe Plan, den ich im Kopf habe.

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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #3 am: 23.01.2006, 12:22 Uhr »
Mein Vorschlag:

Apache Trail-Petrified Forest-Canyon de Chelly-Bistis-
Chaco Canyon-Cuba-Bandelier NM-Santa Fe-Taos-White Sands-
Carsbad-Chiricahua-Tuscon (Saguoro, Desert Museum, Caves usw.)-
Organ Pipe-Phoenix

Ist zwar nicht four corners, aber einer der absoluten Highlight-Routen
in den USA!


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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #4 am: 23.01.2006, 12:48 Uhr »
Schließe mich dem Vorschlag von Jörg an.

Eine super Tour!!   :dafuer:
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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #5 am: 23.01.2006, 13:31 Uhr »
Hallo @all,

nachdem wir den Grand Canyon letztes Jahr schon unsicher gemacht haben, gefällt mir die von Jörg vorgeschlagene Route am besten. Das war auch so unsere Tendenz; eher Richtung Osten. Wo genau geht der Apache Trail lang?

Mesa Verde und Great Sand Dunes passen dann aber nicht rein, oder?

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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #6 am: 23.01.2006, 14:20 Uhr »
Mesa Verde ließ sich schon noch einbauen, aber da Ihr Chaco-Canyon
und Bandelier NM sehen werdet, kann man auch ohne Bauchschmerzen
darau verzichten.

Chaco ist eigentlich Mesa Verde gleichwertig, nur ursprünglicher,
allerdings keine Cliff-Dwellings. Dafür entschädigt die einsame Lage!
(Vorsicht: Klapperschlangen)


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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #7 am: 23.01.2006, 15:57 Uhr »
Zitat
Wo genau geht der Apache Trail lang?


Östlich von Phoenix und ist auf jeden Fall eine Reise wert. Wir haben
damals einen ganzen Tag für gebraucht, da unterwegs zwei Ghost
Towns sind, ein schöner State Park und ein See zum Baden.
Grüsse aus Bonn
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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #8 am: 23.01.2006, 16:42 Uhr »
Im Norden New Mexikos gibt's einiges zu sehen/unternehmen!
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Things to see and do in northern New Mexico (with a few longer descriptions):

Albuquerque

http://www.abqcvb.org/visitors/
http://www.itsatrip.org/

History:
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Albuquerque is a city with a long history. There is evidence that as long as 25,000 years ago, people inhabited this area. Some scientists have estimated the date to be 10,000 years ago. In any case, the area has an old heritage. The Anasazi Indians lived here from 1100 to 1300 A.D. In 1540, the Spanish explorer, Francisco Vasques do Coronado arrived from Mexico. After Coronado left, more Spanish settlers moved here. By the 1600's, the area was called: "Bosque Grande de San Francisco Xavier" (A bosque is a forest on the banks of a river or body of water or possibly an area of thick vegetation). In 1706, Don Francisco Cuervo y Valdez asked the Spanish government for permission to establish a villa here. There must be 30 families to do so. There were only 18 at this time, but Cuervo, who was at the time the provisional governor of the territory, knew the plan would help his future. Cuervo planned to name the villa, Alburquerque, after the viceroy Francisco Fernandez de la Cueva, the Duke of Alburquerque. His application was accepted and the city of Alburquerque was formed. The first "r" was dropped from the name supposedly when a sign painter omitted it because he couldn't spell it or just didn't have enough room. There is another theory about the latin spelling of Albuquerque, which means white oak.



Albuquerque: Old Town
http://www.oldtownalbuquerque.com/

Albuquerque area: Tramway
http://www.sandiapeak.com/

Albuquerque: Balloon Festival (early Oct)
http://www.aibf.org/

Albuquerque area: Petroglyph National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/petr/

Albuquerque area: Turquoise Trail National Scenic Byway
http://www.turquoisetrail.org/sandiacrest.htm

Albuquerque: Indian Pueblo Cultural Center
http://www.indianpueblo.org/intro/index.cfm

Santa Fe & area
http://santafe.org/Visitors_Guide/index.html
http://www.santafechamber.com/about_santafe/tourism_in_santa_fe.htm

History:
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Indians have lived here for over 1,000 years! Santa Fe is the second oldest city in the United States. Don Pedro de Paralta was appointed Governor and Capitan General of New Mexico by the Viceroy of New Spain on 30 March 1609. He was to go to New Mexico with other soldiers and priests and to found the Villa of Santa Fe.

New Mexico was brought into the United States in 1846. At that time, the Catholic Church sent Archbishop John Lamy to reorganize the religious practices of the territory. Religion continues to play a large part in the Santa Fe area. The original name for the city was "La Villa de la Santa Fe San Francisco de Assisi," or in english, "The Royal City of the Holy Faith of Saint Francis of Assisi."

Santa Fe has been the capital under four different flags since 1610: Spain, Mexico, the U.S. Confederacy and the United States. The influence of many different cultures can especially be seen in the architecture. The adobe is from the Moors. The eastern styles and materials from the Anglos. There are many old, historic buildings in Santa Fe, such as the Miraculous Winding Staircase at the Loretto Chapel or the San Miguel Mission - the oldest church in the United States. Santa Fe has also become a cultural center for the region. The Santa Fe Fiesta has been celebrated
since 1769. It remains a center for craftsmen and artisans to this day.


Santa Fe: La Fonda (historic Harvey hotel)
http://www.lafondasantafe.com/

Santa Fe: Loretto Chapel
http://www.lorettochapel.com/stair.html

Santa Fe area: Pecos National Historical Park
http://www.nps.gov/peco/

Battle of Glorieta Pass, Civil War
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/civilwar/14/glorieta.html

Los Alamos: Atomic Lab Science Museum
http://www.lanl.gov/museum/

Los Alamos: Bandelier National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/band/

Los Alamos area: Valle Grande (caldera)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_Grande

Jemes Springs: hot springs, pueblo
http://www.jemezsprings.org/guide.html

Jemez Springs: Grotto, Soda Falls, camping
http://www.americansouthwest.net/new_mexico/jemez_mountains/

Chimayo
http://www.chimayo.org/

Chimayo: Sanctuario de Chimayo
http://www.archdiocesesantafe.org/AboutASF/Chimayo.html

Abiquiu: arts and photography
http://www.abiquiustudiotour.org/

Abiquiu: Ghost Ranch
http://www.ghostranch.org/

Abiquiu area: Echo Amphitheater
http://www.digitalabiquiu.com/pages/tours/echo_t.html

Ojo Caliente
http://www.digitalabiquiu.com/pages/tours/ojocaliente_t.html

Ojo Caliente: Spa
http://www.ojocalientespa.com/

Chama: Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad
http://www.chamatrain.com/

Las Vegas: 900 historical buildings!
http://www.worldplaces.com/cchp/aboutcchp.htm

Las Vegas: Montezuma Castle
http://www.uwc-usa.org/about/montezumacastle.htm

Fort Union & Santa Fe Trail
http://www.nmhu.edu/research/sftrail/ftunion.htm
http://www.nps.gov/foun/

Taos
History:
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There is evidence that man has lived in the Taos area as far back as 3,000 B.C. Prehistoric ruins dating from 900 A.D. can be seen throughout the Taos Valley. The Pueblo of Taos remains the link from these early inhabitants of the valley to the still-living native culture.

The first Europeans to appear in Taos valley were led by Captain Alvarado,  who was exploring the area for the Coronado expedition of 1540. Don Juan de Onate, official colonizer of the province of Nuevo Mexico, came to Taos in July 1598. In September of that year he assigned Fray Francisco de Zamora to serve the Taos and Picuris Pueblos.

Long established trading networks at Taos Pueblo, plus its mission and the abundant water and timber of the valley, attracted early Spanish settlers.

Life was not easy for the newcomers, and there were several conflicts with Taos Pueblo before the Pueblo revolt of 1680 in which all Spaniards and their priests were either killed or driven from the province. In 1692 Don Diego de Vargas made a successful military reconquest of New Mexico and in 1693 he returned to recolonize the province. In 1694 he raided Taos Pueblo when it refused to provide corn for his starving settlers in Santa Fe.

Taos Pueblo revolted again in 1696, and De Vargas came for the third time to put down the rebellion. Thereafter, Taos and most of the other Rio Grande Pueblos remained allies of Spain and later of Mexico when it won its independence in 1821. During this long period the famous Taos Trade Fairs grew in importance so that even the annual caravan to Chihuahua delayed its departure until after the Taos Fair, which was held in July or August. The first French traders, led by the Mallette brothers, attended the Taos Fair in 1739.

By 1760, the population of Taos valley had decreased because of the fierce attacks by Plains Indians. Many times the Spanish settlers had to move into houses at Taos Pueblo for protection from these raiders. In 1779, Colonel de Anza returned through Taos from Colorado, where he had decisively defeated the Comanches led by Cuerno Verde. De Anza named the Sangre de Cristo Pass, northeast of present Fort Garland, and also named the road south from Taos to Santa Fe through Miranda Canyon as part of "El Camino Real". In 1796 - 97, the Don Fernando de Taos grant was given to 63 Spanish families.

By the early 1800's, Taos had become the headquarters for many of the famous mountain men who trapped beaver in the neighboring mountains. Among them was Kit Carson, who made his home in Taos from 1826 to 1868. In July 1826 Padre Antonio Jose Martinez began serving the Taos parish. He opened his school in Taos in 1833 and published textbooks for it in 1834. He printed "El Crepusculo", a weekly newspaper in 1835, and was prominent in territorial matters during the Mexican and early United States periods in New Mexico.

After Mexico gained independence from Spain in 1821, the Santa Fe Trail became the important route for trade between the United States and Mexico. A branch of the trail came to Taos to supply its trading needs.From 1821 to 1846, the Mexican government made numerous land grants to help settle new sections of New Mexico. During the war with Mexico in 1846, General Stephen Kearney and his U.S. troops occupied the province of New Mexico. Taos rebelled against the new wave of invaders and in 1847 killed the newly appointed Governor Charles Bent, in his Taos home. In 1850 the province, which then included Arizona, officially became the territory of New Mexico of the United States.

During the civil war, the confederate army flew its flag for six weeks over Santa Fe. It was just prior to this time that Kit Carson, Smith Simpson, Ceran St. Vrain and others put up the American flag over Taos Plaza and guarded it. Since then, Taos has had the honor of flying the flag day and night.The discovery of gold in the Moreno valley in 1866 and later in the mountains near Taos brought many new people to the area. Twining and Red River, once mining towns, are now prominent ski resorts. The Carson National Forest contains forested lands in the Sangre de Cristo and Jemez Mountain Ranges. It was created from the Pecos River Forest Reserve of 1892, the Taos Forest Reserve of 1906, and part of the Jemez National Forest of 1905.

A narrow gauge railroad, the Denver and Rio Grande Western, was built from Alamosa, Colorado, to within 25 miles southwest of Taos in 1880. In later years it was nicknamed the Chili Line. It eventually connected with Santa Fe. A surrey and four horses joggled passengers from the station to Taos. During World War II, the train was discontinued; Embudo Station on the Rio Grande is all that is left of it today.

The next invasion began in 1898, when two eastern artists came to Taos and depicted on canvas the dramatic mountains and unique peoples. By 1912, the Taos Society of Artists was formed by these and other artists who had been attracted to the area. New Mexico became a state in 1912 as well. World Wars I and II came and went, and members of the three cultures of Taos -- Indian, Spanish and Anglo -- fought and died
together for their country.


http://www.taoschamber.com/

Taos: Galleries & museums
http://taoswebb.com/art/

Taos area: Ranchos de Taos church
http://www.collectorsguide.com/ts/tsfa05.html

Taos area: Taos pueblo
http://www.taospueblo.com/

Taos area: Rio Grande Gorge Bridge
http://users.hawken.edu/dskad/rgbridge.html

Taos area: Wild Rivers Rec Area (BLM site)
http://www.nm.blm.gov/tafo/rafting/rio_grande/wrra/wild_rivers.html

Taos area: White Water rafting
http://www.taosoutdoorrecreation.com/rafting.htm

Enchanted Circle Scenic Byway: Angel Fire, Eagle Nest, Red River, Questa, Taos

Vietnam Veterans National Memorial, Angel Fire
http://grunt.space.swri.edu/angelfir.htm

Elizabethtown (Ghost Town)
http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/nm/elizabethtown.html

Acoma pueblo (Sky City)
http://www.nmmagazine.com/NMGUIDE/acoma.html

Gallup, Center for Native American history, art, culture, tradition, and GREAT shopping
http://www.gallupnm.org/

Inter-Tribal Indian Ceremonial at Gallup
http://www.gallupnm.org/ceremonial/

Shiprock. More just to see than to visit; you'll be able to see it from all over the northwest corner of the state. (In earlier times, prior to air pollution, you could see it from the top of Sandia Peak and from some places at Mesa Verde, that is, from much further away. Now that happens only on particularly clear days.)

Navajo Nation: Fair at Shiprock and much more
http://www.americanwest.com/pages/navajo2.htm
http://www.discovernavajo.com/events.html

Bisti Badlands Wilderness
http://www.desertusa.com/mag00/may/stories/bisti.html

National Monuments/Parks/Rec Areas, State Parks and Scenic Byways(North and South)

New Mexico's Scenic Byways:
http://nmshtd.state.nm.us/scenic_byways/default.asp

Albuquerque area: Petroglyph National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/petr/

Aztec Ruins National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/azru/

Bandelier National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/band/

Chaco Culture National Historical Park
http://www.nps.gov/chcu/

Petroglyph National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/petr/

Fort Union National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/foun/

Capulin Volcano National Monument
http://www.nps.gov/cavo/

Kasha-Katuwe Tent Rocks National Monument (BLM)
http://www.nm.blm.gov/recreation/albuquerque/kasha_katuwe.htm

National Natural Landmarks in New Mexico:
http://www1.nature.nps.gov/nnl/Registry/USA_Map/States/NewMexico/new_mexico.htm

Conchas Lake
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/conchas/conchas.htm

Ute Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/ute/ute.htm

Bluewater Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/bwater/bwater.htm

Hyde Memorial State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/hyde/hyde.htm

Rio Grande Nature Center
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/rgnc/rgnc.htm

Red Rock State Park (operated by the City of Gallup)
http://www.ci.gallup.nm.us/rrsp/00182_redrock.html

El Vado Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/elvado/elvado.htm

Fenton Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/fenton/fenton.htm

Navajo Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/navajo/navajo.htm

Heron Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/heron/heron.htm

Cimarron Canyon State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/cimarron/cimarron.htm

Clayton Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/clayton/clayton.htm

Coyote Creek State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/coyote/coyote.htm

Morphy Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/morphy/morphy.htm

Storrie Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/storrie/storrie.htm

Sugarite Canyon State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/PAGES/parks/Sugarite/sugarite.htm

Eagle Nest Lake State Park
http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/nmparks/pages/parks/eaglenest/eaglenest.htm

Camping and Other Info Links

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Click here for printable listings of New Mexico's public and private parks and campgrounds to take with you on your trip!

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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #9 am: 23.01.2006, 18:04 Uhr »
Hallo, Lynn,
ist ja irre, was Du da alles rausgesucht hast!  
Leider haben wir "nur" Santa Fe und ein bewohntes Pueblo angesehen im Juli vergangenen Jahres, aber da haben wir schon gesagt, daß NM nochmal eine eigene Reise wert ist!
Wir hatten wohl Recht damit, wie ich sehe!

LG, Monika

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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #10 am: 24.01.2006, 08:32 Uhr »
@lynn

Bin geplättet! Danke für die vielen Tipps. Ich fürchte nur, da werden 3Wochen bei weitem nicht reichen. :cry:

@Gutenberg

Jetzt mal ernsthaft: Gibts da wirklich soviele Klapperschlangen? Ich habe Mega-Panik vor Schlangen und war letztes Jahr heilfroh, dass ich keine einzige zu Gesicht bekommen habe. Falls das dort sehr extrem ist, würde ich wohl eher auf die Besichtigung verzichten wollen...

Annett
Wild Wild West 2006 ... seit 11. Juni sind wir wieder daheim... und planen schon die nächste Tour (vielleicht Rocky Mountains und Yellowstone?!)

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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #11 am: 24.01.2006, 08:46 Uhr »
Zitat von: Monalisa70




Jetzt mal ernsthaft: Gibts da wirklich soviele Klapperschlangen? Ich habe Mega-Panik vor Schlangen und war letztes Jahr heilfroh, dass ich keine einzige zu Gesicht bekommen habe. Falls das dort sehr extrem ist, würde ich wohl eher auf die Besichtigung verzichten wollen...



Du wirst kaum auf eine treten, aber speziell in den alten Steinruinen,
die sich ja schön aufheizen, gibt es verhältnismäßig viele
Klapperschlangen. Das war absolut keine Panikmache!
Man sollte nur Vorsicht walten lassen. Laß Dich deswegen von einem
Besuch nicht abschrecken!

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Re: Wild Wild West 2006
« Antwort #12 am: 24.01.2006, 09:07 Uhr »
Zitat
Du wirst kaum auf eine treten, aber speziell in den alten Steinruinen,
die sich ja schön aufheizen, gibt es verhältnismäßig viele
Klapperschlangen.


Naja, ehrlich gesagt, müsste ich auch nicht unbedingt eine sehen. Ich mache sogar im Zoo einen großen Bogen um das Reptilienhaus und falls im Fernsehen eine gezeigt wird, schalte ich schnell weiter... Ist mir jetzt ein bißchen peinlich ... aber ist so. Das könnte mir den ganzen Urlaub versauen...
Wild Wild West 2006 ... seit 11. Juni sind wir wieder daheim... und planen schon die nächste Tour (vielleicht Rocky Mountains und Yellowstone?!)